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Daniel Jesse's avatar

It's hard to take a dense book full of meaning and reduce it down while capturing all the nuances. It's destined to fail, but I think that helps generate conversation around the topic. I was being reductionistic and will try to engage your questions as best as I can!

1. Thompson does address cultural and learned shame, deeming some positive and some negative. Thompson's point is that we need to co-regulate our feelings appropriately. When someone is shamed for everything that they do, they develop unhealthy levels of shame as they will feel shame about everything. There are actions that are worthy of feeling shame over. The problem is that we often over-shame ourselves and others. Shame can be corrective and restorative, but it often is not used that way. The point is not to get rid of shame, but to use shame correctly.

2. Unbridled emotion or vulnerability is a problem. One should not trauma dump to a stranger on the bus that they just met. We need to sublimate our emotions at times, yet we are too good at sublimation. Any extreme is a problem. In a trusted relationship where we are safe and seen, we need to be willing to be vulnerable and not let our desire to hid our feelings win out all the time. Bringing that to the church, we often hold back feelings in worship and fellowship so that we do not produce shame in us or our interlocuters. We need to worry about social stability at times, but often maintaining that stability is the issue and the stability needs to be subverted. We need to discern when maintaining and subverting is correct. And honestly, we need to make the social stability a place where vulnerability is expected.

3. Thompson talks about non-verbal queues and how our body language and actions convey feelings. He discusses how when we swoop into to rescue a child from a situation we find distressing that they do not they start to associate that action with distress. Think about how a child starts\stops looking over at the parent before they cry after falling. He also discusses how a knowing look can be enough to sooth someone or convey that they are there for them if they need them. But the non-verbal only works when a relationship is already established.

Thompson, of course, is Western and thinks through that lens. The different parts of the brain should operate the same universally but the way those centers are activated might differ across cultures (not that type of Doctor). So the way that the church creates confessional communities can be different in other cultures, but I think they still need to exist. Emotional healing and communal integration are (probably) universal needs that play out differently. I think our American culture is bad at expressing grief and lament but other cultures might repress other feelings. Thompson does not say that talk-therapy is what is needed, even in our American context. What is needed is people to have relationships that allow for complete expressions of our selves to each other. Those communities need to be able to support and challenge us, all in a safe and soothing atmosphere where we feel seen.

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I'm torn about this. Not about your general point, which I agree with, but with Thompsons way of talking about it. Granted, you are summarizing, so I say this cautiously, but it seems reductionistic. I have some scattered thoughts and questions and I'm not sure how to be concise, so I'll just throw them out and see if they make sense.

1) I'm curious to know if he sees a positive role for shame in the life of a community. A while back I was reading Te-Li Lau's book Defending Shame which points to the positive use of shame in the Bible. He argues that shame is in part something we impose on ourselves when we adopt the values of the community (unavoidably; this is how humans relate in society with each other) but fail to live up to them. *We* know we haven't done what we should and so we feel shame, even if no one says anything. The positive social function is then a kind of guardrail. If I am sinning, the experience of shame should be a motivation for me to return to the community and correct my actions. The bad use of shame is when it is non-restorative.

2) Similarly, I'm curious if his proposal for what this looks like is something like unbridled vulnerability and emotional expression or if he sees any space for restraint of any kind. In other words, is sublimation always bad or is it sometimes appropriate? If we had to compare social stability (via sublimation) and emotional vulnerability, would he say that emotional vulnerability should win every time?

3) Finally, does Thompson have any space for non-verbal or non-direct forms of emotional healing and communal integration? What I mean is that long before therapy talk was a thing, societies had traditions and practices that facilitated the type of emotional healing and communal integration that Thompson seems to be describing. Someone might go on a pilgrimage and come back an emotionally healed and communally integrated person, but they won't use that language or even have that concept. Does he have space for that or does he imagine it is only possible via a specifically 21st-century American way of emotional healing and communal integration?

That last question is perhaps my concern. This all sounds very American with some science behind it, therefore, it's universal. I'm suspicious of that not because I don't think there are universal human traits, but because I think humans are extremely adaptable and societies throughout history have found ways, good and bad, to find a kind of homeostasis (without knowledge of neuro-biology) and I don't want to pigeonhole everyone into becoming 21st century Americans! As in our previous discussion about culture, I'm trying to find a point of contact between different conceptual frameworks to possibly identify where the church--even if the culture prioritized emotional restraint--found ways to bring about emotional healing and communal integration.

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